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butterbean
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 Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: Child Abuse Lawsuit Creates Immigration Waves |
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(CBS) CHICAGO A child abuse lawsuit aimed at helping illegal immigrants stay in the country is creating some waves.
Some people believe the lawsuit in support a Chicago mother and her son misses a critical point, and CBS 2's Rob Johnson reports that others believe it's right on target.
The immigration debate has become one of America's most pressing issues. The latest salvo fired came last week with the filing of a class action lawsuit on behalf of children like 7-year-old Saul Arellano, whose mother Elvira is hunkered down in a Humboldt Park church fighting deportation.
The suit names President Bush and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, among others, and claims that such deportations are a form of child abuse.
"They should be able to live in this country with their parents and that is not happening," said Emma Lozano with the Center Without Borders.
That strategy, says CBS 2 legal analyst Irv Miller, is a long shot.
"It's probably not going to be a class action, which is what the mom and the child want it to be to gain the notoriety," Miller said.
But UIC child psychiatry professor Dr. Bennett Leventhal believes that a child in that type of situation faces real emotional damage.
"I think it would be an abusive thing to forcibly separate children from their parents under circumstances like that where it is clearly avoidable," Leventhal said.
But there are others, like Michelle Jacobsen with the Chicago Minuteman Project, who contend that Elvira Arellano is confusing the entire issue.
"Why did a mother put her child in this situation? Because the government didn't do that to her. The government didn't force her to come over the border," Jacobsen said. "The government didn't force her to fraudulently use a Social Security number or to have a child over here when she was illegal. She made all of those choices herself."
Supporters of undocumented immigrants are planning to have many of these children at a huge rally in Washington on Nov. 3, hoping the president will hear their pleas.
Their opponents vow to continue talking about how they believe illegal immigration is hurting this country.
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_289224957.html |
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tweety
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| butterbean, if this illegal piece of crap wins her lawsuit, our government will probably declare a new national holiday for her based on a phoney civil rights victory. Whats this country coming too? |
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butterbean
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| tweety wrote: | | butterbean, if this illegal piece of crap wins her lawsuit, our government will probably declare a new national holiday for her based on a phoney civil rights victory. Whats this country coming too? |
 That's funny !
I really feel that woman is the one inflicting abuse on her child. He is being dragged about for press meetings. He lives in a 'temporary' shelter which I wouldn't consider a 'home'. He is being made to write letters to people he doens't know and about issues he is far to young to understand. He is being forced to grow up too fast, and is missing out on 'childhood', which should be worryfree and carefree. I don't think she is a good mother at all. If she put HIM before her needs, she would go back to Mexico and raise her son.  |
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tweety
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| butterbean, the illegals are all going to try to use their anchor kids to stay in this country. If she wins this case it will set a presidence that won't be good for this country. There will just be more and more scams of the 14th Amendment. I know there is a bill in congress right now to petition the Supreme Court to start interpreting it the right way and as it was intended. The sooner that legislation gets addressed, the better for our country. Our citizenship is not a piece of candy to be given away to the offspring of parents who break our immigration laws. |
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iamme
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| butterbean wrote: | | tweety wrote: | | butterbean, if this illegal piece of crap wins her lawsuit, our government will probably declare a new national holiday for her based on a phoney civil rights victory. Whats this country coming too? |
That's funny !
I really feel that woman is the one inflicting abuse on her child. He is being dragged about for press meetings. He lives in a 'temporary' shelter which I wouldn't consider a 'home'. He is being made to write letters to people he doens't know and about issues he is far to young to understand. He is being forced to grow up too fast, and is missing out on 'childhood', which should be worryfree and carefree. I don't think she is a good mother at all. If she put HIM before her needs, she would go back to Mexico and raise her son. |
And all because they don't want to grant this courageous lady a path to legalization so she can give her child a better future. A childs place is with his parents, but when they threaten to deport a parent to a dangerous place they also put the child at risk. This child is an American citizens and deserves to have his mother at his side IN America. I'm sure the experience he is gaining will help him become a powerful leader one day. The child is already an inspiration to many. I'm glad the mother is putting HIS needs before hers by staying here and fighting to be here instead of taking her son to a dangerous world where his opportunities will be limited if there are any. |
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butterbean
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| iamme wrote: | | butterbean wrote: | | tweety wrote: | | butterbean, if this illegal piece of crap wins her lawsuit, our government will probably declare a new national holiday for her based on a phoney civil rights victory. Whats this country coming too? |
That's funny !
I really feel that woman is the one inflicting abuse on her child. He is being dragged about for press meetings. He lives in a 'temporary' shelter which I wouldn't consider a 'home'. He is being made to write letters to people he doens't know and about issues he is far to young to understand. He is being forced to grow up too fast, and is missing out on 'childhood', which should be worryfree and carefree. I don't think she is a good mother at all. If she put HIM before her needs, she would go back to Mexico and raise her son. |
And all because they don't want to grant this courageous lady a path to legalization so she can give her child a better future. A childs place is with his parents, but when they threaten to deport a parent to a dangerous place they also put the child at risk. This child is an American citizens and deserves to have his mother at his side IN America. I'm sure the experience he is gaining will help him become a powerful leader one day. The child is already an inspiration to many. I'm glad the mother is putting HIS needs before hers by staying here and fighting to be here instead of taking her son to a dangerous world where his opportunities will be limited if there are any. |
"Courageous lady"! The woman is a two-time criminal who not only entered the country illegally and was deported, but she also used phoney ID to get a job.
Do you really think she is a 'model' for her young son? She is teaching him that it IS OK TO BREAK THE LAW in America. MAYBE THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT IN MEXICO- BUT NOT HERE! |
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iamme
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| butterbean wrote: |
"Courageous lady"! The woman is a two-time criminal who not only entered the country illegally and was deported, but she also used phoney ID to get a job.
Do you really think she is a 'model' for her young son? She is teaching him that it IS OK TO BREAK THE LAW in America. MAYBE THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT IN MEXICO- BUT NOT HERE! |
She is teaching him that in order to get ahead, one must stand up and fight. You said it "she also used a phoney ID to get a job". Not to steal, but to work. Her only crime was trying to give her child a better life than what he would have had in Mexico. It sickens me to believe that there are Americans who are OK with either seperating this family or deporting a child to a world he doesn't know, won't benefit him, and will probably turn him into a criminal. Yes, this lady is courageous. There are Americans who do worse and get away with it. This lady is sitting in the front of the bus against the wishes of those who wish to demonize her. She's doing it for her child and those of others who face the same circumstances as they do. |
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tweety
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butterbean, the two time criminal should indeed be teaching her child to stand up and fight....IN ONE'S OWN COUNTRY! His mother didn't do that. She is teaching her child to run from your problems instead of facing them. She should also be teaching her child that it is wrong to break the law, such as immigration laws and that there is never any justification for stealing other people's ID's because it can cause the person they stole it from a lot of grief and AGAIN he should be being taught that it is NEVER right to break the law, especially a felony such as that one is.
America and Americans are not responsible for separating a mom from her child. This woman made the choice herself to do what she did and ALL criminals including Americans when they break the law should have to pay for it. That child has the choice of going back to Mexico with his mother, so where is this separation BS? He can get to know Mexico as his second country just as many humans move to other places over the entire world to live.
If we go by some people's stupid logic, we shouldn't deport anyone in this country without papers if they came from a poor country. We can't do that! We cannot take in the entire world's poor. What kind of idiotic thinking is this? |
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butterbean
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| iamme wrote: | | butterbean wrote: |
"Courageous lady"! The woman is a two-time criminal who not only entered the country illegally and was deported, but she also used phoney ID to get a job.
Do you really think she is a 'model' for her young son? She is teaching him that it IS OK TO BREAK THE LAW in America. MAYBE THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT IN MEXICO- BUT NOT HERE! |
She is teaching him that in order to get ahead, one must stand up and fight. You said it "she also used a phoney ID to get a job". Not to steal, but to work. Her only crime was trying to give her child a better life than what he would have had in Mexico. It sickens me to believe that there are Americans who are OK with either seperating this family or deporting a child to a world he doesn't know, won't benefit him, and will probably turn him into a criminal. Yes, this lady is courageous. There are Americans who do worse and get away with it. This lady is sitting in the front of the bus against the wishes of those who wish to demonize her. She's doing it for her child and those of others who face the same circumstances as they do. |
iamme- She stole ID that will eventually catch up and DESTROY someones credit. She needs to go home and make demands on her government to make the situation better for all Mexicans, PERIOD!
 She has no one stopping her from returning to Mexico with her son, and giving him the proper upbringing.
Have you ever visited some of the Hispanic websites and read just how angry illegal children are? When they graduate from H.S. they come into the realization that their parents have REUINED THEIR LIVES, because they cannot pursue a college career legally here in America. It is very sad to read posts from kids that have been left with basically nothing, because their parents bought them here illegally. I also read lots of posts from them where they are inquiring about 'obtaining' phoney ID's to try to get into college or get a job.
The bottom line is this, ILLEGALS should not be protesting in our streets, but should be protesting back in Mexico where their government has an obligation to help them. NOT US!!!! |
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