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Sandy
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Location: Arizona
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: Our Primaries are starting up..... |
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why is there no discussion of the difference between the parties? Or are there any differences?
How much government do you believe is necessary or wanted by the American voters? |
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Patriot
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe that there is any or much difference between the two major parties. They both may talk a different game, but in the end they are both Globalists, Socialists, Unrestricted Free traders. They are more concerned about power than America.
The men and women currently in office refuse to consult the Constitution before they make laws, to see if in fact they even have the authority to propose the laws they want to pass.
As for how much Government is necessary, I believe that we should only have as much government as the Constitution allows. Most of the current government departments are unconstitutional.
As for the American people, I think many are starting to wake up. More and more every day are coming to the conclusion that we don't need government to be our nanny. But sadly there are more that want government to provide every need. Forgetting that government that is big enough to give you everthing you need is big enough to take everything you have got.
http://www.constitutionparty.com
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Sandy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Patriot. The Constitution Party is fine if the voter wants a Christian only nation. I do not! I'm basically a Goldwater conservative of "limited government, individual freedoms and personal responsibilities" and none of these items are respected by your party.
I do not believe that the Federal Government was formed to set moral values for the American people. I do not want religion taught in our schools but I did send my kids to Christian school the first 6 years. I understood what they were teaching and would never allow my kids to be taught by any teacher under Hillary Clinton. Do you see the difference?
Around my dinner table, we had discussions of religion, laws, social responsibilities and ethics. We even touched on Evolution when one of the kids did a paper on Ecuador. This had to be done without the school finding out. I soon saw the problem with that and transfered them to a secular college prep.
I want a political party without an agenda on anything outside of the Constitution. No fair writing Amendments to fit the agenda. |
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Patriot
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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The Constitution Party is not looking for a Christian only nation. They do Acknowledge God in their platform, but so did the Founders in every document they wrote. They do not want to impose a theocracy any more than Thomas Jefferson did. In fact the CP is comprised of more than just Christians. So to say that they want a Christian only nation is not accurate.
The CP is also a party that believes in limited government, individual freedoms, and personal responsibility.
Below are the seven principles of the Constitution Party
Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances
| Quote: | | I do not believe that the Federal Government was formed to set moral values for the American people. |
You mean moral values like don't steal, kill or lie under oath? The Gov't does not set the moral values, we the people do.
Every Party has an agenda. Most trample the Constitution, the CP seeks to follow it completely. Were not looking to reform government we want to get rid of most of it.
| Quote: | I do not want religion taught in our schools but I did send my kids to Christian school the first 6 years. I understood what they were teaching and would never allow my kids to be taught by any teacher under Hillary Clinton. Do you see the difference?
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The CP does not want "religion taught in school". They just want kids to have the freedom to be able to bow their head and say a silent prayer over their meal with out the ACLU sending in a team of lawyers. We as American citizens are tired of the minority taking away the rights of the majority. One lone crybaby complains about being "offended" and all of a sudden millions of people are affected because of it.
Personally I don't send my kids to government schools. It is no different now under Goerge Bush than it will be under Hillary Clinton. The CP would work to get the federal government out of education altogether. That is the difference. The other two parties will just give it more funding and of course more regulation. Special interests already own government education. Kids are being indoctrinated, not taught. I say stick with reading Writing and Math and leave the social agenda out of it.
There is an agenda out there and it wants to take away our freedoms. The Constitution Party stands against that agenda. We don't believe any group has "special rights". We believe that we as individuals have the same rights. You as an individual can do what ever your conscience allows, as long as it does not harm another person.
I personally believe amending the Constitution is a slippery slope. Once we head down that road it could easily be amended by my opponents to something I don't approve of. I say we just leave it alone and start following the Constitution the way its written. |
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Sandy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, Patriot. Those agenda items smack of federal programs to ban abortions, gay marriages, and death with dignity. It would represent a police state more than a government based on individual freedoms.
I never understood why the social conservatives ignored the Constitution Party as it stood for all the prohibitions wanted by religious Americans.
I firmly believe that the American family has ignored the education and moral values that made America free. The numbers of abortions are decreasing and are based on child abuse within the family. Many of these families are Christian Republicans and also hypocrites. The revolution of returning to American values will have to come from the family. Teaching right from wrong should start from day one. Social conservatives teach parables from the bible to children raised on television.
Right from wrong has been missing in our American values as they have been exchanged for Christian values which ignore critical thinking and instinctively knowing right from wrong. We only have to look at our Federal Government to see how Jesus Christ has been used an abused by our leaders.
A child who knows right from wrong will never elect anyone again into office who claims to be a Christian and then shows a lack of respect of 50% of the American People.
Removing choices from women and gays is half the American People. You cannot legislate morals without a moral government and ours is taking on the illusion of a police state.
I assume you do not believe that the difference between right and wrong can come from a secular mind. We have seen the results of a Christian Nation and it is no model of decent values. Sin and ask for forgiveness is not a moral value. |
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Patriot
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Sandy wrote: | | Sorry, Patriot. Those agenda items smack of federal programs to ban abortions, gay marriages, and death with dignity. It would represent a police state more than a government based on individual freedoms. |
Actually, you misunderstand the Constitution Party completely. We would advocate overturning Roe v Wade on the basis of its not a constitutional ruling as well as the moral basis. The Constitution grants no authority to the Federal Government to make those kinds of decisions. It should be decided in the states. Thats where our focus would be, get it back to the states where it can die a slow death in all but a handful of states. Same thing with gay marraige. It too would not be allowed in most states.
The federal government does not have any right to tell the people of South Dakota that they have to allow abortion in their state. Same with any issue not duly spelled out in the Constituion as the responsibility of the Federal Government.
We just need to follow the Constitution. It protects us all from an over bearing government, but not if we let politicians trample it.
| Quote: | | Many of these families are Christian Republicans and also hypocrites. |
Many people aim to live by Christian morals and principles. Many also fall short of living out those morals and principles. Does that make them hypocrites or does it just make them human like you and me? Christians are just sinners who are saved by the grace of God. It does not make them perfect. I would venture to say that there is no man or woman alive today that has never said one thing and did another at some point in their life. Striving to live moral and falling short is much more admirable than never even trying at all.
| Quote: | | Removing choices from women and gays is half the American People. You cannot legislate morals without a moral government and ours is taking on the illusion of a police state. |
The Constitution was written to protect our unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That means all life. Not just life that we say we want to keep. That child in the womans womb is alive. It is life. It should be protected.
If the gays want to go and be gay thats fine, nobody is stopping them. But they are looking to use the federal government to gain special rights and above that force acceptance of their choice of lifestyle upon people who find it reprehensible. Thats wrong. You talked earlier about people with and agenda, well they are one group who is militant about their agenda.
What we all need to realize is that the Constitution protects us all as Americans, not hyphenated Americans. No one American has any "special rights" above and beyond what all Americans have. And they should not be granted any.
| Quote: | | I assume you do not believe that the difference between right and wrong can come from a secular mind. We have seen the results of a Christian Nation and it is no model of decent values. Sin and ask for forgiveness is not a moral value. |
Of course its possible to discern right and wrong even from a secular stand point. The problem is that when you don't have any basis for what you believe is right or wrong, then it can change when its convenient to do so.
There are plenty of results to see in our nation where Christianity has had a great impact for good. How many charities, orphanages, soup kitchens or hospitals have the athiests, queers or feminists built in the last 100 years. Not likely too many. Why? Because Christians are taught to serve other people. The groups mentioned above are only out to serve themselves and their own selfish interests.
You choose to focus on men who use Christianity as a prop to get elected. Thats not a fair way to evaluate all the Christians in our nation. Governments have done this throughout history. Many Christians today are fed up with men like that and are ready to take back our government from the liars. You don't have to be a christian to be in government, but we don't take kindly to people who claim to be but really aren't. |
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