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butterbean · Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 2271

Myth Debunked
A Latin conservative tidal wave is not coming.

By Heather Mac Donald
7/24/06

The myth of the redemptive Hispanic is finally cracking. For years, conservative open-borders advocates have touted Hispanic “family values” as a prime reason to increase immigration. Hispanic immigrants, these conservatives say, will save America from itself. At a time when Anglo and black families are disintegrating, when society is becoming increasingly atomized and alienated, Hispanics will bring the traditional values that the country so desperately needs. In a classic iteration of the theme, Larry Kudlow wrote on NRO last May that Hispanic immigrants would “become a much-needed churchgoing blue-collar middle class . . . that is crucial to a healthy America.”

The truth is now supplanting the fiction. Last Friday, the New York Times ran an editorial, “Young Latinas and a Cry for Help,” that laid out the real state of the Hispanic family. A quarter of all Latinas are mothers by the age of 20, few of them married, reported the Times. This out-of-wedlock teen-birth rate is three times that of white teens, and significantly more than that of blacks as well. The Hispanic dropout rate is also the highest in the country — the Manhattan Institute’s Jay Greene puts it at 47 percent.

There is simply no way to square the facts about Hispanic family breakdown with the myth of the redemptive Hispanic. Talk to any social worker and she will tell you that illegitimacy has become completely normalized among her Hispanic clients. And the usual explanation for this epidemic of illegitimacy — an unresolved culture clash between young people and their traditional parents — is equally bogus. The mothers of teen mothers are themselves completely on board with single parenting, say the social workers, having often been single parents themselves. And they have no qualms about hooking their daughter and grandchildren into the public-benefits apparatus: “It’s now culturally OK for that population to be served by the welfare system,” says a case manager in a Santa Ana, Calif., home for teen mothers.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzkxMDk1MTQ3Yzg2MzdjZDA0NmFkODhiOWI1NjhjNjE

butterbean · Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 2271

Oh, iamme, oh iamme: Check out this article. I thought it might be of interest to you. Shocked

Dream · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 427

What family values? Glad to see someone caught on. Another ruse from the government. And 150 million * offenders crossing the boarder daily with "family values". What the author did not mention is mothers, even if married end up single. While their men roam the country, establish wives in other states, and spend their time drunk or in prison. They do not mind if it means they won't be beat every night of the week. That is another reason why they now encourage their daughters to go solo.

Now that the mormons has discovered that the average latino male prefers more than one woman at a time. They are all hitting it off nicely in Utah. They are Catholic you say? That is only skin deep. Only when the church is handing our freebee's.

Let's face it, politicians recognized long ago that family's who stay together create strong bonds of loyalty and protection of each other. Slavers purposely separated the Black slave families so that solidarity would not form. America and Mexico are still practicing this today. The stronger the family is, the stonger the slave is. And we can't have that now can we?

iamme · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 333 Location: TEXAS

The article is interesting to me, but I do believe it should go on another thread in this forum, as it is illegal immigration here, not Hispanic bashing. This post in the Illegal immigration catagory leads me to believe that what you are saying is being Hispanic is being illegal. So Hispanic teens have a high out of wedlock rate and have the highest drop out rate, etc. We are all working to help alleviate the situation, but what does this have to do with illegal immigration? Are you saying we should get rid of Hispanics because of these rates? Anyways, I only wonder how the rates were obtained or how accurate they are as my birthcertificate reads race or color: white and my color isn't white and my race sure is not white.

Dream, "150 million * offenders crossing the border daily"? Are you serious?! Yet, I think you mean some mothers do have to go through this hardship. Yes, it is very sad for those women and it is a shame they are taken advantage like that. I'm sick of Jerry Springer and Geraldo making money off of their pains.

However, I disagree with your opinion on the slave issue. Despite the fact that blacks were seperated, they remained strong, even in isolation. There was a time when "negro" music was thought of as a racket, but that music kept them together and going and moving. They all had to unit together through segregation to be heard and it only sound too familiar to me. The only difference is that those seen as slave today can hardly be considered slave, as slaves are forced to work, and illegal immigrants of today are not.

Dream · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 427

Yes this is an illegal immigration issue. Studies and statistics on the community/marriage/unwed mothers is bashing? lol no wonder you are so lost on this issue and your own people. It has alot to do with it considering that it is the pro movements and politicians comments that allowing floods of illegals in with such strong family values will help the USA moraly. When it couldn't be farther from the truth. I think the article is quit clear of exactly what it all has to do with it.

150 * offenders per day. That was a typo. The report on the study was posted about a month ago, if you care to read the article on it, look threw the forum pages.

I don't care if you disagree or not about the Black slaves being separated. It is a historical fact. Along with what the belief system was to separate them. Music didn't keep their families together. Nor did the separation of their famlies, as they were sold off around the country, create strength amongst their communities then or now. Only a fool would argue that broken, fatherless families are strong and a good thing no matter what race their talking about. BTW they aren't called negro anymore. Nor is their music. Cross the boarder if you want to use those terms. It is against forum rules to do so here.

Do you always flap your jaws and run off with answers without thinking about what your saying first? Or even knowing what your talking about. You dispute things that have been proven. Talk about history you obviously know nothing about. Use racist words in describing another race other than your own. I still question any "growth" on your part in the few weeks of your absence. You appear to be in the same raicial and culturaly bias 2x2 box of thinking that your were in before. If you truely want to be taken seriouly and feel you have a cause, then go read. Stop yakking mindlessly and go read. Educate yourself on something other than how to just be arguementative.

iamme · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 333 Location: TEXAS

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Juan · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 153 Location: Colorado

If we are speaking about the latest version of the National Anthem (Nuestro Himno) that has been going around then it is not a true Spanish interpretation. No where in the Star Spangled Banner are the words "we are equal, we are brothers." In fact the two songs have very little in common. There is an actual and official interpretation of the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish and the meaning is little changed from the original.

iamme · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 333 Location: TEXAS

Bootsie · Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 492

The song might be beautiful in a SPANISH SPEAKING country. It is VERY offensive in AMERICA. If they can't join in and sing OUR national anthem in English, they need to go back to ESL classes and take a refresher course. I am INCENSED every time I hear that travesty on our national anthem. WHAT NERVE.

iamme · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 333 Location: TEXAS

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Dream · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 427

America has never been considered a multilingual country. Not in its beginnings and not now. As we have argues this point with you many times before. America has always been an english speaking country. Because you and yours ignore English does not make it multilingual. To become Multilingual would take the majority to agree with it and practice it. Which is not the case either. Nor do any other countries have their national anthems written in several languages. And yes it is offensive to do so. I saw the polls on this, and it was the majority of Americans who found it offensive. Not just "some".

I think another factor that incenses people about this, is that no proper channels were taken to do so. Since this anthem is the property of the United States and it's people. Copyrights etc. No one went to court and asked permission from anyone to make these changes. This is no different then wanting to change the flag. It takes a tremendious amount of nerve and disrespect to for anyone to think they can take what is a Government property, a national symbol, and decided to change it, just cause.