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tweety · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 250

By the way, there is no way that iamme or anyone else can stop me from doing something. I have my own ideas on what should be done about the illegals in this country (solutions) and I am sure she wouldn't agree with them but I don't care. I fail to see how my pointing out the negativity of illegal aliens in our midst would stop me from doing something or seeking solutions.

gringogirl · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 187 Location: gone

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I think you are addicted to arguing - thats all- and yes it is falling for troll bait- ignore her please-
she throws out crumbs and watches you pounce on them-
as to ramon- He doesnt bother me because I no longer read his threads- he bothers those who bother to read his threads-
but hell - if you like trolls so much lets invite all of them over here and you will have plenty of time to waste on the race card etc

Jezzabell · Joined: 03 Jul 2006 Posts: 72

Geesh what did I walk into tonight?

Don't feed the trolls is a good one. I think this continues to address what someone else posted a week or so ago in another thread. That there are all kinds of boards. For all kinds of tastes. And it appears the majority here, are bored, and worn out with feeding the trolls. So the members prefer not to have this constant aggitated, vibe going on here. I personaly detests arguementative blogger boards. I detest every everyone in conflict. That's what other boards are for.

So either we all misunderstood the original vibe of the board when we first joined. Or others have.

I have spent alot of years on many many different boards. Is it the center of the universe? No, but it is were I choose to spend what is left of my time during a day. And I choose not to spend my time in negative or passively aggressive places. Which to be honest is what it is turniing into here. When people are getting called on astericks, or not being nice enough to the troll, others who just like to stir the pot cause they can, and others told to be civil over very frank discussion?

I have gotten till I stay away as much as possible when I see Iamme posting alot. Because I know I am going to get ticked at what she is blabbering. So I guess there are two ways to look at the concerns over what visiters and lurkers might think. And two ways to look at who is being pushed away or turned off by feeding the trolls. The way I see it is, I should not be made to feel uncomfortable about her presence, dialoge or ongoing conflict with others. If she ticks me off she will get a very frank piece of my mind. And I imagine thoughs who keep stroking her fires will sooner or later as well.

As was mentioned in yet another thread. Go to any other board and you will find us extremely civial and restrained compared to them. But, that does not mean it will remain that way when taunted daily with it, we are truely just fed up with it. We are forced to hear the "other side of it" every where we go. Every radio station, News programm, cnn, newspapers, marches. Some of us would like to find a place were we are not literally forced to hear about it anymore. Some us prefer to censor out the propaganda and devulging our thoughts and stratageys to the enemy.

iamme · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 333 Location: TEXAS

I think that those who see debating with me as a waste of their time are wrong. When I found this forum I admit I came here thinking that illegal immigration should be made legal. Through debate I was made to think otherwise. I don't like to not have the last word, so when someone responds to me with something I have no clue about, I research on it to see if it is true.

This country didn't come to be a great country by chance. Wars, Debates and protests had to take place to change a one minded opinion. Imagine if we had just jumped to conclusions without considering what the opponents were all about! Many innocent people have died because of "patriotic Americans" who saw them as criminals, no-good, and animals. They had to fight to be heard, and it is only now that we hear what they were saying. I see this as no different, just like tweety said about protesting. All I'm about is this: Let's not rush to conclusions. Many innocent people have been proven guilty, put to death, only to be found innocent later in time.

I don't understand where everyone is getting that I am pro-illegal. I have stated that I am against illegal immigration numerous time. I would like legal immigration. However, although many here are against a guest worker program, I am for it. I just think it is not a wise choice to remove 20+ million illegal immigrants from this country becuase of the few bad apples in their midst. I don't see why this labels me as being pro-illegal.

Even though I am sympathetic to what illegal immigrants face in their home countries, it still does not mean I am pro-illegal. I am just trying to help in coming with a reasonable solution. Someone said that it was unfair that illegals could get federal assistance and Americans can't. I let them know that wasn't true by using myself as an example. Instead I was jumped on and am still being harrassed for daring to go against what they wanted to hear. Should I have said "Oh! You are so right! I hate them!" even though I know that is not true? Is that what this forum is all about? Just agree and if you don't, shut up? It's never ok. First you say they bring disease, then you say they use up services, then you complain because they don't use the services, then you complain about disease again. First you say they live multiple families to a house, then you complain because they are able to buy a house. I can go on and on. Imagine if I had said that in buying the house they have to pay property taxes. That sounds good to me, but no, I'm pro illegal for saying that. They shouldn't pay taxes, because they shouldn't be buying a house, because they shouldn't be here, because when they are here they are using our taxes, so they need to leave. Wow, what a solution.

Posting on this forum is not the same as writing to your officials. I've been able to do both. If you have time to post here, then you have time to write to your officials.

My debates with tweety are about language and culture and how illegal immigration is affecting the American culture. It has nothing to do with me being pro-illegal, but rather how or how it isn't affecting the "American culture".

To me, trolls are those that chase people around to harrass or insult them instead of explaining an opinion. Maybe we have a different opinion. However, there have been many interesting posts that I do not respond to for a reason, and that reason is that the post is true. There was a thank you post for butterbean and gringogirl and it kind of bothered me that it did not include Dream as I have found her posts from the last few months very informing as well. I did not post that response because all my post always lead to a discussion, no matter how civil I try to be. In the end, I'm the one that gets blamed for taking threads off topic. If you haven't noticed, I've only taken threads off topic when I do not agree to something said. I think that it is only fair that I should be able to express my opinion. I thank those that have defended that right for me.

Jezzabell · Joined: 03 Jul 2006 Posts: 72

Ok, Well Iamme in that context, it reminds me of a child parent relationship. And it is important for you to know a great many of us are 40+ here. So we do not find debating a realistic problem solving technieque. We are past that. So if you want to know something ask, instead of challenging people, throwing down gaunlets and becoming arguementative. To us it is immature temper tantrums. We are not here to play out anyone's parent/child dynamics. We are here as adults and want equal interaction with other adults.

The country wasn't built on arguement, debate and devision. It was built on unity and people working together to lift every single brick. What you are seeing now in our government is not what made this country. It is what is tearing it apart. Just as it has done here. You have expressed the same opinion several times. We do not agree. And we are sick of reading it over and over again. Simple as that. Bring something to the table other than offensively telling us we are not being discriminated against or that you have the right to insult anyone in any language you choose to. Or Drop it.

We older people learned years ago that it is far more productive to learn threw the process of wisdom and honesty, than threw debate, argueing, and playing games. That is exactly the passive aggressive behavior I outline above. Verbal or physical aggression does not work in solving or learning anything. It builds nothing but more anger, hurt, indivudualism of every man for himself, and misunderstanding. That is also the discription of Mexico's people and its government. Food for thought.

Bootsie · Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 492

I have a brilliant idea! iamme and tweety need to start a new thread and they could title it, "DEBATE WITH THE OPPOSITION". That way, any of us who have NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in debating the opposition would know to just ignore the thread. My opinion is the same as either Dream or Jezzabell mentioned---the fact that, if we choose to ignore people like iamme (AND, I AM ONE OF THOSE), the next thing you know is that they pop up in other threads just trying to keep things stirred up. I am getting sick of even trying to post on the site because of that. The ones of us, and that is the MAJORITY OF POSTERS AT THIS SITE, that are AGAINST illegal immigration do not like to be distracted by trolls on every thread we attempt to post on. It's very difficult to remain civil when a troll just keeps chasing you from thread to thread and droning on and on and on with the same old malarkey. So, every time I go to a thread and see that iamme is posting there too, I just back out.

tweety said:

gringogirl · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 187 Location: gone

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:57 am Post subject:

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Bootsie your idea is brilliant and of course I has the same idea
a thread where anyone who likes to talk to I am me can go to
the only problem is that dream points out - Iam me follows people to other threads to keep it going
the thread should be named "CLueless"
I dont like Patriiots idea because it gives trolls power to disrupt threads - I also dont like conflict being labeled as button pushing
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tweety · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 250

tweety · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 250

Another thing, I am glad that there will be a separate forum in here now where both sides of the issue can debate civilly if they want too, others need not join in then. That is better than squelching freedom of speech. If we start acting that way, then we are acting just like the enemy. I know I have been in other forums where freedom of speech was not allowed by the enemy and it made me sick because I am an American not a Nazi.

tweety · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 250

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iamme · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 333 Location: TEXAS

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gringogirl · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 187 Location: gone

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iamme · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 333 Location: TEXAS