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iamme
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| tweety wrote: | | iamme, you said you appreciated having someone who will listen to your point of view in here and be civil, of which I have done. If you truly are for freedom of speech like myelf, then why do you hang out in Nazi forums like the Hispanic Business Forum and the Galleons Forum where freedom of speech is only granted to the pro-illegals? |
Tweety, and I have not thanked you enough for being civil and for listening to me, although you may not agree with much of what I say. A few months ago, I was accused of many things on this forum, from being an illegal alien, to being an anchore baby, to leeching off of the government, etc. It was less than civil. I left this forum in search of another where acceptance of my belief’s were welcomed. Needless to say, if you check my first post at the HB I was almost attacked because of the way I phrased my question. For a moment, I thought I was alone in what I believed until I poured my heart and explained my experiences. Thereafter, I was heartly welcomed by the HB forum. Like I said, I believed that from the experiences I had here, that that was the way forums ran. If there was a moderator, there was power, if there was no moderator, the people were in power. It gave me strength to return here, because I felt I had a right to speak just like the rest. I did not know that patriot was the moderator of this forum until Andy51 and patriot himself stood up for my freedom of speech. Then you came along, and defended that as well, as well as informing me about the HB forum. I have been hanging out in the HB forum for two reasons. One is because everyone needs to feel acceptance at some point. When I feel I have taken enough beatings here, I go back there to recoup and revive my strength. A little vacation time, so to speak. The second reason is because of what you have said. I should stand up for freedom of speech and defend it. I cannot defend that if I am not there to stand up for those who have that right, just like I would not be able to defend Freedom of Speech if I had walked away from this forum without speaking up. As for the Galleons forum, well, I am active in the organization and partake in the forming and organizing and will continue to do so until the organization is running full speed. I am a representative and hope that we can accomplish what is much needed for immigrants, regardless of their status. I feel that what I am doing is what one would call, taking action and not only forming ideas, but following through with them as well. |
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tweety
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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The difference about those forums though and this one is that freedom of speech is allowed in here. Sure you might take a beating from the anti's in here but was your account deleted or banned? NO! Irregardless that this forum is anti-illegal and the HB and Galleons one is pro-illegal and both sides feel strongly about their views, why is it that this one allows you freedom of speech and the other two do not? Why would you want to be part of two Nazi forums? If they have told you that all of the people who were banned from there were all trolls, THEY ARE LYING THRU THEIR TEETH! I don't know about you but I don't want to hang around Nazis and liars!!
I find it better to join forums who have an equal amount of members from both sides of the issue. It is boring to have people high-fiving each other all day long and more condusive to gaining solutions and exchanging ideas where you have a mix of opinons. The illegal immigration issue is ciritical in this country. We need to all work together to solve it instead of squelching freedom of speech.
Have you ever been a member of MATT.org? Now there is a forum with a good mix of anti's and pro's. The moderator is fair and you do not get banned for your point of view as long as you are respectful. If you get out of hand, he will issue you a warning but he is unbiased in his warnings. Both the anti's and the pro's get warnings. Unlike the HB forum where all the members and the moderators would gang up on the anti's but no warnings were given to the pro's. They could be as nasty as they wanted to be and never get banned either. You might want to try it because it is not boring like HB and everyone gets there say with civility. Most importantly is the moderators are not BIASED like the HB forum and you won't feel ganged up on because there are just as many in there with your point of view as there are those who agree with my point of view. Isn't that better than being part of any Nazi forums?
Oh, did I forget to mention that some of the HB/Galleon members e-mailed that forum and tried to get freedom of speech squelched in there too or they would not participate because there were racists in there? (in other words anti-illegals were allowed to express their views). Can't have that, now can we, according the Nazi's at HB. |
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iamme
Joined: 24 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| tweety wrote: | The difference about those forums though and this one is that freedom of speech is allowed in here. Sure you might take a beating from the anti's in here but was your account deleted or banned? NO! Irregardless that this forum is anti-illegal and the HB and Galleons one is pro-illegal and both sides feel strongly about their views, why is it that this one allows you freedom of speech and the other two do not? Why would you want to be part of two Nazi forums? If they have told you that all of the people who were banned from there were all trolls, THEY ARE LYING THRU THEIR TEETH! I don't know about you but I don't want to hang around Nazis and liars!!
I find it better to join forums who have an equal amount of members from both sides of the issue. It is boring to have people high-fiving each other all day long and more condusive to gaining solutions and exchanging ideas where you have a mix of opinons. The illegal immigration issue is ciritical in this country. We need to all work together to solve it instead of squelching freedom of speech.
Have you ever been a member of MATT.org? Now there is a forum with a good mix of anti's and pro's. The moderator is fair and you do not get banned for your point of view as long as you are respectful. If you get out of hand, he will issue you a warning but he is unbiased in his warnings. Both the anti's and the pro's get warnings. Unlike the HB forum where all the members and the moderators would gang up on the anti's but no warnings were given to the pro's. They could be as nasty as they wanted to be and never get banned either. You might want to try it because it is not boring like HB and everyone gets there say with civility. Most importantly is the moderators are not BIASED like the HB forum and you won't feel ganged up on because there are just as many in there with your point of view as there are those who agree with my point of view. Isn't that better than being part of any Nazi forums?
Oh, did I forget to mention that some of the HB/Galleon members e-mailed that forum and tried to get freedom of speech squelched in there too or they would not participate because there were racists in there? (in other words anti-illegals were allowed to express their views). Can't have that, now can we, according the Nazi's at HB. |
Tweety, I can understand your frustration with HB. The only thing I can say or do is that I will try to defend others in their freedom of speech. Like I said, not everyone at HB is pro-immigration. We have capitalista who has been on the forum for a while now who is anti-immigration. I think the problem at HB is that we are all quite sensetive with the use of words like "illegal immigrant" and "Mexican's" and "Hispanics" and "Latino's". It matters not that you use the words, just that you don't abuse the word. In other words, don't call all illegal immigrants Hispanics or criminals. While to you it might sound correct, to us it is offensive and we have many Hispanics on the HB forum who take that offense as well. It is highly moderated to keep conversations civil yet comfortable. It might be a restrictive freedom of speech, but forums are all shapes and sizes. There are some forums who are anti-immigration who do much the same as HB, but it is like a business. If you own the forum, then you have as much right to do with it as you please. I believe forums cost money to run, so if you are paying for a forum it is up to you to use that money how you wish.
Now I frequent Matt, Alipac, Latino Republic, alt.politics, and a few other forums on occasion. I don't participate because I have my hands full here, but I do read the comments. Besides, I find these forums unorganized and messy and I have a hard time getting around them. However, yes, I do see freedom of speech liberated. It is up to the administrators to accept or deny posts. Patriot could have just as well done the same as at the HB, but he has decided to give a good example. However, if he had decided to ban me, there would not be much I could do. I've yet to be banned from a forum, but it is one of the reasons I don't participate at Alipac and few other forums I've visited. I'm sure I'll get banned and I'm sure that is a frustrating thing to feel. |
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tweety
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| iamme wrote: | | tweety wrote: | The difference about those forums though and this one is that freedom of speech is allowed in here. Sure you might take a beating from the anti's in here but was your account deleted or banned? NO! Irregardless that this forum is anti-illegal and the HB and Galleons one is pro-illegal and both sides feel strongly about their views, why is it that this one allows you freedom of speech and the other two do not? Why would you want to be part of two Nazi forums? If they have told you that all of the people who were banned from there were all trolls, THEY ARE LYING THRU THEIR TEETH! I don't know about you but I don't want to hang around Nazis and liars!!
I find it better to join forums who have an equal amount of members from both sides of the issue. It is boring to have people high-fiving each other all day long and more condusive to gaining solutions and exchanging ideas where you have a mix of opinons. The illegal immigration issue is ciritical in this country. We need to all work together to solve it instead of squelching freedom of speech.
Have you ever been a member of MATT.org? Now there is a forum with a good mix of anti's and pro's. The moderator is fair and you do not get banned for your point of view as long as you are respectful. If you get out of hand, he will issue you a warning but he is unbiased in his warnings. Both the anti's and the pro's get warnings. Unlike the HB forum where all the members and the moderators would gang up on the anti's but no warnings were given to the pro's. They could be as nasty as they wanted to be and never get banned either. You might want to try it because it is not boring like HB and everyone gets there say with civility. Most importantly is the moderators are not BIASED like the HB forum and you won't feel ganged up on because there are just as many in there with your point of view as there are those who agree with my point of view. Isn't that better than being part of any Nazi forums?
Oh, did I forget to mention that some of the HB/Galleon members e-mailed that forum and tried to get freedom of speech squelched in there too or they would not participate because there were racists in there? (in other words anti-illegals were allowed to express their views). Can't have that, now can we, according the Nazi's at HB. |
Tweety, I can understand your frustration with HB. The only thing I can say or do is that I will try to defend others in their freedom of speech. Like I said, not everyone at HB is pro-immigration. We have capitalista who has been on the forum for a while now who is anti-immigration. I think the problem at HB is that we are all quite sensetive with the use of words like "illegal immigrant" and "Mexican's" and "Hispanics" and "Latino's". It matters not that you use the words, just that you don't abuse the word. In other words, don't call all illegal immigrants Hispanics or criminals. While to you it might sound correct, to us it is offensive and we have many Hispanics on the HB forum who take that offense as well. It is highly moderated to keep conversations civil yet comfortable. It might be a restrictive freedom of speech, but forums are all shapes and sizes. There are some forums who are anti-immigration who do much the same as HB, but it is like a business. If you own the forum, then you have as much right to do with it as you please. I believe forums cost money to run, so if you are paying for a forum it is up to you to use that money how you wish.
Now I frequent Matt, Alipac, Latino Republic, alt.politics, and a few other forums on occasion. I don't participate because I have my hands full here, but I do read the comments. Besides, I find these forums unorganized and messy and I have a hard time getting around them. However, yes, I do see freedom of speech liberated. It is up to the administrators to accept or deny posts. Patriot could have just as well done the same as at the HB, but he has decided to give a good example. However, if he had decided to ban me, there would not be much I could do. I've yet to be banned from a forum, but it is one of the reasons I don't participate at Alipac and few other forums I've visited. I'm sure I'll get banned and I'm sure that is a frustrating thing to feel. |
Again why do you use the words pro or anti immigration? None of this is about that. It is about being pro-illegal or anti-illegal immigration.
Why be sensitive about the law's definition of it? And why attack people who use the CORRECT terms?
As far as Capitalista goes he/she has been one member who has been tolerated because of their middle of the road stances on the issue. Many of the members who were banned were strickly anti-illegal immigration all the way but were not anti-Mexican or anti-Hispanic. When refering to the majority of illegals in this country one has to use the term Mexican because they are the majority. And no, these members who were banned did not call them all criminals beyond the fact that they entered our country illegally, unless they used fake documents or avoided paying taxes after arriving here. Those are felonies! The problem with HB is they will not tolerate the truth from a hard core anti-illegal even if they state their case with civility. No matter what you would say, you would get those same old false accusations, "you are anti-Hispanic, xenophobic, white supremist, racist, etc.
Another thing I find wrong in there is that the moderators take sides and gang up on the anti's along with the other members. A moderator shouldn't even be posting their opinions in a forum. They should just be moderating and not being biased. You have no idea what a Nazi forum you are dealing with in there.
Personally, I feel if freedom of speech is going to be disallowed in a forum, no matter if it is privately owned or not, then don't open a forum. Also most forums have rules you have to agree to before you join, theirs was the typical, no personal insults, etc. and I never did that. Please explain to me why then the hard core pro-illegals in there were allowed to do this then? I guess the rules didn't apply to them, hey? Your buds at HB are nothing but a bunch of Nazi, biased, non-law abiding, ethnically driven liars and if they are an example of what Hispanics are all about then I fear for the future of this country. |
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iamme
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Again why do you use the words pro or anti immigration? None of this is about that. It is about being pro-illegal or anti-illegal immigration.
Why be sensitive about the law's definition of it? And why attack people who use the CORRECT terms? |
I use those words because I can't think any one who is pro-illegal immigration. It is a misconception that just because we are defending illegal immigrant rights that we are also stating we want illegal immigration. I say anti immigration because it covers two groups in one. There are people who don't want illegal immigration, nor a guest worker program, and then there are those that don't want immigration at all, legal or illegal. I try to keep it at illegal immigration because it relates to someone who is here illegally to work, no matter where they are from. Illegal alien, to me, is a foreigner (from any country, not just Mexico) who is here illegally. One points at their presence, the other at their purpose. However, like I said, it matters not that one uses the word so long as it isn't abused. For example, it is considered offensive to say all those Hispanic illegals when you really mean illegals from Mexico. Even that is offensive, because it points at a specific group. Illegal immigration is not just about Mexico, it don't matter that they make the majority of illegals. That would equal the same as wanting to get rid of drunk drivers and just pointing the finger at one state just because that state has a lot of drunk drivers. Would you like someone talking about the people that live in your state over that? Would you like someone calling you a drunk or an alcoholic just because you come from that state? Maybe it's true, the state you live in might be overrun by a bunch of drunk drivers, but it's not about your state, it's about getting rid of drunken drivers. That's just an example, but it's much the same with illegal immigration. It shouldn't just be about Mexican illegal immigration, but about illegal immigration as a whole.
| Quote: | | As far as Capitalista goes he/she has been one member who has been tolerated because of their middle of the road stances on the issue. Many of the members who were banned were strickly anti-illegal immigration all the way but were not anti-Mexican or anti-Hispanic. When refering to the majority of illegals in this country one has to use the term Mexican because they are the majority. And no, these members who were banned did not call them all criminals beyond the fact that they entered our country illegally, unless they used fake documents or avoided paying taxes after arriving here. Those are felonies! The problem with HB is they will not tolerate the truth from a hard core anti-illegal even if they state their case with civility. No matter what you would say, you would get those same old false accusations, "you are anti-Hispanic, xenophobic, white supremist, racist, etc. |
So far I have not seen this, but I will see if I have time to go back and check on it. We've had some very racist people come by, but to my knowledge, I have not seen any of their posts removed nor have I heard of them being banned.
| Quote: | Another thing I find wrong in there is that the moderators take sides and gang up on the anti's along with the other members. A moderator shouldn't even be posting their opinions in a forum. They should just be moderating and not being biased. You have no idea what a Nazi forum you are dealing with in there.
Personally, I feel if freedom of speech is going to be disallowed in a forum, no matter if it is privately owned or not, then don't open a forum. Also most forums have rules you have to agree to before you join, theirs was the typical, no personal insults, etc. and I never did that. Please explain to me why then the hard core pro-illegals in there were allowed to do this then? I guess the rules didn't apply to them, hey? Your buds at HB are nothing but a bunch of Nazi, biased, non-law abiding, ethnically driven liars and if they are an example of what Hispanics are all about then I fear for the future of this country. |
The only thing I can say is that this is a touchy issue. I know it is not a game to you, but it is definitely not a game for us either. We are very scared because when people start talking about the Hispanization of a country, they start pointing fingers and saying nasty names and honestly, I don't think me, my family, or anyone who is Hispanic deserves that. The way I picture it is that we are like a bunch of spoofed cats who jump at the slightest bump. Yet, we are like a family too, just like some are family here. So when someone comes in with something offensive, we all want to get our opinions in, just like it is here and it seems like we are ganging up. When I was in the immigration section here, I felt like I was being ganged up on. However, technically, I feel like I have been banned from this forum in a way. I fear posting in the illegal immigration thread because it does not matter whether I am civil or not, I still get harrassed. There are many issues there, and opinions there, that I would like to discuss, but I feel I've been limited to the Heated Debate section. I can't bring those discussions here because it would draw others from the other threads here, and that's not what patriot wants. I will post some articles tomorrow that are of interest to me and hopefully we can discuss them. Hopefully you can help me out on this, as I'd like to see what articles are of interest to you as well. Take care. |
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tweety
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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iamme, all I can say is that an illegal alien is one who has broken our immigration laws and should not be refered to as a plain old immigrant according to the law. Why don't you just admit it that those of you who are sympathatic towards the illegals just want to erase the line between being legally here and illegally here. The term undocumented is another charade of this.
Bottom line is that we are opposed to ALL illegal immigration no matter where they are from. Mexicans are taking the heat because they are the majortiy by far. Sorry if that bothers you and yours but thats the way it is and it is justified.
Getting back to the HB forum. You won't find hardly any anti's in there anymore because they have made it clear that they are unwelcome. I notice how boring it is in there now. Hardly anyone posts or gets a discussion going anymore. No one wants to talk to the Nazis anymore. I don't know how far back the posts are kept for those who have been banned but you would be shocked at how people were treated in there in the past. I am not saying that there weren't any that didn't deserve banning but there were even more that didn't deserve it.
Its hard for me to converse with you anymore. I find it very difficult to carry on a conversation with someone who feels people who are opposed to illegal immigration and are pro-laws are racists, xenophobics, anti-Mexican, etc. When that simply isn't true for most anti's including myself.
What saddens me most is that people like you and those in the HB forum for the most part are U.S. citizens and yet you favor illegal foreigners just because they are ethnically like you over your own fellow ciitzens and the laws of this country. I find this dispicable!!! You know you and yours would be singing a different tune if the majority of illegals in this country were the Chinese for example. And yet we anti's are the ones that are called racists? |
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iamme
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| tweety wrote: | | iamme, all I can say is that an illegal alien is one who has broken our immigration laws and should not be refered to as a plain old immigrant according to the law. Why don't you just admit it that those of you who are sympathatic towards the illegals just want to erase the line between being legally here and illegally here. The term undocumented is another charade of this. |
I've always stated as much for myself. I'd prefer to have open borders if it were up to me, but then, Mexico would need to get it's act straight. It would be an unfair balance, people wanting to come to America and no one wanting to go to Mexico because of it's corrupt government. For the mean time, I oppose illegal immigration because I know it is a strain on the government, but I also support amnesty because illegal immigrants would be able to accurately report their earnings and we would know who is in America and be able to keep a record of that.
| Quote: | | Bottom line is that we are opposed to ALL illegal immigration no matter where they are from. Mexicans are taking the heat because they are the majortiy by far. Sorry if that bothers you and yours but thats the way it is and it is justified. |
That doesn't justify Mexicans getting the heat. The problem is illegal immigration, not just illegals who come from Mexico. If that is the case, then why do I not hear much worry about the Visa overstayers who come from countries such as the terrorist on 9/11? Those are more threatening than illegal immigrants from Mexico. The majority of illegal immigrants that come from Mexico come here to work and make a better life for themselves. Why is that such a big issue? Shouldn't we be worried about the ones that have harmed us, as opposed to those who are just trying to make a life for themselves? It should be illegal immigration as a whole, not just illegal immigrants from Mexico because they make the majority, but as a whole.
| Quote: | Getting back to the HB forum. You won't find hardly any anti's in there anymore because they have made it clear that they are unwelcome. I notice how boring it is in there now. Hardly anyone posts or gets a discussion going anymore. No one wants to talk to the Nazis anymore. I don't know how far back the posts are kept for those who have been banned but you would be shocked at how people were treated in there in the past. I am not saying that there weren't any that didn't deserve banning but there were even more that didn't deserve it.
Its hard for me to converse with you anymore. I find it very difficult to carry on a conversation with someone who feels people who are opposed to illegal immigration and are pro-laws are racists, xenophobics, anti-Mexican, etc. When that simply isn't true for most anti's including myself. |
I have taken the liberty of reading your posts at HB and cannot figure out where you were banned. Most of the topics I found were based on assimilation and language, from which, although the response from JD were less than civil, I believe she never violated your rights or attempted to. She did have some valid points though. As defender of freedom of speech, it is contradictory that you should restrict anyone based on their mainstream activities.
I do not find the HB forum boring, rather I find it informative. I am sorry that you should feel that way about me because I want to be informed from everywhere, including Nazi forums (in your words). Sometimes it's nice for me to have someone do the talking, so long as they don't restrict another persons rights. I've never liked name calling, but I cannot restrict another persons rights to do so just because I don't like it. I don't care who's being called the names, I'm just too personal about this and I put myself in their shoes. I was once a bullied child and names hurt. Forget the sticks and stones myth.
| Quote: | | What saddens me most is that people like you and those in the HB forum for the most part are U.S. citizens and yet you favor illegal foreigners just because they are ethnically like you over your own fellow ciitzens and the laws of this country. I find this dispicable!!! You know you and yours would be singing a different tune if the majority of illegals in this country were the Chinese for example. And yet we anti's are the ones that are called racists? |
Tweety, I am already embarrassed at the fact that I cannot make a story short, but if only you knew me. I was racist once against illegal immigrants. I called them names like "Beaners", "Brownies", "WetB***", etc. We bullied them in school, at one time a cousin of mine beat an illegal immigrant up just for being illegal. Like I said, we were Hispanic, but we were not raised to like illegal immigrants. Partly because some of the discrimination we faced in school such as getting paddled, or having to kneel while we leveled books, all for speaking Spanish in school. I was ashamed of who I was ethnically. I spoke spanish, but I tried to erase it from my mind and at one point I was like you. Speak English only, this is America. Then I met my husband (then boyfriend) and I got to see first hand what being illegal was all about. I wish I could tell you story, but believe me, you would never understand. When the immigration lawyer told my husband that he would NEVER EVER be able to get legal, I swore that one day I would do something about the unfairness of it all even if I had to be put into a Psychiatric Home. I just wanted to have a tantrum of the worst kind for the three years of struggle I had to face as an American with an illegal husband. Do you think I am not human and that I do not feel? Do you think the same of illegal immigrants? That they are just to be mishandled, not heard, and tossed back? I'm sure you care, but the difference between you and I is that I'm willing to overlook the law to lend a helping hand because I KNOW what they have to go through, even if my sufferings were only a fraction of what others have to go through. I know deep down in my heart of hearts that a solution can come of this if only we open our hearts and our ears. Maybe opening the borders is a solution. People can come here to work and go back at the end of the day. Many illegal immigrants I know would rather do that. The only reason they don't go back at the end of the day is because that would mean risking their lives at the river or deserts to come back tomorrow. We can be humane about this. We can be smart, but we just have to stop feeling so threatened by the illegal immigrants whose only intentions are to make a better life for their families and themselves. Take care. |
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tweety
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| iamme wrote: | | tweety wrote: | | iamme, all I can say is that an illegal alien is one who has broken our immigration laws and should not be refered to as a plain old immigrant according to the law. Why don't you just admit it that those of you who are sympathatic towards the illegals just want to erase the line between being legally here and illegally here. The term undocumented is another charade of this. |
I've always stated as much for myself. I'd prefer to have open borders if it were up to me, but then, Mexico would need to get it's act straight. It would be an unfair balance, people wanting to come to America and no one wanting to go to Mexico because of it's corrupt government. For the mean time, I oppose illegal immigration because I know it is a strain on the government, but I also support amnesty because illegal immigrants would be able to accurately report their earnings and we would know who is in America and be able to keep a record of that.
| Quote: | | Bottom line is that we are opposed to ALL illegal immigration no matter where they are from. Mexicans are taking the heat because they are the majortiy by far. Sorry if that bothers you and yours but thats the way it is and it is justified. |
That doesn't justify Mexicans getting the heat. The problem is illegal immigration, not just illegals who come from Mexico. If that is the case, then why do I not hear much worry about the Visa overstayers who come from countries such as the terrorist on 9/11? Those are more threatening than illegal immigrants from Mexico. The majority of illegal immigrants that come from Mexico come here to work and make a better life for themselves. Why is that such a big issue? Shouldn't we be worried about the ones that have harmed us, as opposed to those who are just trying to make a life for themselves? It should be illegal immigration as a whole, not just illegal immigrants from Mexico because they make the majority, but as a whole.
| Quote: | Getting back to the HB forum. You won't find hardly any anti's in there anymore because they have made it clear that they are unwelcome. I notice how boring it is in there now. Hardly anyone posts or gets a discussion going anymore. No one wants to talk to the Nazis anymore. I don't know how far back the posts are kept for those who have been banned but you would be shocked at how people were treated in there in the past. I am not saying that there weren't any that didn't deserve banning but there were even more that didn't deserve it.
Its hard for me to converse with you anymore. I find it very difficult to carry on a conversation with someone who feels people who are opposed to illegal immigration and are pro-laws are racists, xenophobics, anti-Mexican, etc. When that simply isn't true for most anti's including myself. |
I have taken the liberty of reading your posts at HB and cannot figure out where you were banned. Most of the topics I found were based on assimilation and language, from which, although the response from JD were less than civil, I believe she never violated your rights or attempted to. She did have some valid points though. As defender of freedom of speech, it is contradictory that you should restrict anyone based on their mainstream activities.
I do not find the HB forum boring, rather I find it informative. I am sorry that you should feel that way about me because I want to be informed from everywhere, including Nazi forums (in your words). Sometimes it's nice for me to have someone do the talking, so long as they don't restrict another persons rights. I've never liked name calling, but I cannot restrict another persons rights to do so just because I don't like it. I don't care who's being called the names, I'm just too personal about this and I put myself in their shoes. I was once a bullied child and names hurt. Forget the sticks and stones myth.
| Quote: | | What saddens me most is that people like you and those in the HB forum for the most part are U.S. citizens and yet you favor illegal foreigners just because they are ethnically like you over your own fellow ciitzens and the laws of this country. I find this dispicable!!! You know you and yours would be singing a different tune if the majority of illegals in this country were the Chinese for example. And yet we anti's are the ones that are called racists? |
Tweety, I am already embarrassed at the fact that I cannot make a story short, but if only you knew me. I was racist once against illegal immigrants. I called them names like "Beaners", "Brownies", "WetB***", etc. We bullied them in school, at one time a cousin of mine beat an illegal immigrant up just for being illegal. Like I said, we were Hispanic, but we were not raised to like illegal immigrants. Partly because some of the discrimination we faced in school such as getting paddled, or having to kneel while we leveled books, all for speaking Spanish in school. I was ashamed of who I was ethnically. I spoke spanish, but I tried to erase it from my mind and at one point I was like you. Speak English only, this is America. Then I met my husband (then boyfriend) and I got to see first hand what being illegal was all about. I wish I could tell you story, but believe me, you would never understand. When the immigration lawyer told my husband that he would NEVER EVER be able to get legal, I swore that one day I would do something about the unfairness of it all even if I had to be put into a Psychiatric Home. I just wanted to have a tantrum of the worst kind for the three years of struggle I had to face as an American with an illegal husband. Do you think I am not human and that I do not feel? Do you think the same of illegal immigrants? That they are just to be mishandled, not heard, and tossed back? I'm sure you care, but the difference between you and I is that I'm willing to overlook the law to lend a helping hand because I KNOW what they have to go through, even if my sufferings were only a fraction of what others have to go through. I know deep down in my heart of hearts that a solution can come of this if only we open our hearts and our ears. Maybe opening the borders is a solution. People can come here to work and go back at the end of the day. Many illegal immigrants I know would rather do that. The only reason they don't go back at the end of the day is because that would mean risking their lives at the river or deserts to come back tomorrow. We can be humane about this. We can be smart, but we just have to stop feeling so threatened by the illegal immigrants whose only intentions are to make a better life for their families and themselves. Take care. |
All your talk about open borders doesn't address the fact that the legal term for those in this country without papers are illegal aliens, not immigrants or the undocumented and no one should be attacked for using the correct terms.
It does justify Mexicans getting the gist of the heat on illegal immigration. No other group including Visa overstayers comes anywhere near the numbers of illegal aliens from Mexico. Their poverty, lack of education and high birth rates, etc. just adds fuel to the fire. But NEVER have we anti's ever denied that there are illegal aliens in this country from other countries and that we oppose them too. You sympathizers for the Mexican illegals only just use that tired old worn out statement to make it seem like we are just racists against Mexicans. We see right thru you too!
As far as the terrorist issue goes. Yes, a half dozen entered through Canada but not illegally and not on foot. Another 21 tried to enter our air space from British airports.
So lets get back to those terrorists that are entering by foot and mostly through our southern border. The FBI says that there have been 150,000 OTM'S from terrorist countries that have entered thru our southern border in recent years. Now who should we be more afraid of ? Our airports have been secured now. But our borders have not been. These foot soldiers from terrorists countries are entering thru our Mexican border and are organizing within our country to do us a lot more damage than 9/11 ever did!
We are not implying that peasant Mexicans just looking for work are terrorists. Why do you pro's always say that? It is those 150,000 OTM's and more coming from terrorists countries right along with the Mexicans that we are worried about. So we have secured our airports and hopefully our ports too, but our borders are still wide open! And yet you keep harping about Canada and airports? Thats been taken care of!
No, there is no justification for illegal aliens entering our country for whatever reason they have. There is even less justification for an American citizen to be sympathetic to them to the point of snubbing our laws. It is shamefull! The illegals are not any different than anyone else. They should be held accountable for breaking our immigration laws and not rewarded for it.
As far as the HB forum goes. As poster Tweety and a couple of other ID's I was treated like garbage in there. Especially by JD who treated all anti-illegals like garbage. Well myself and a couple of others managed to get her busted from Moderator back to just a member and in all actuality and fairness she should have been banned from the forum all together for her rotten nastiness. But thats where the biasness came in. The pro's could say anything they wanted and they were allowed to stay no matter how cruel they were to others.
Thats another reason I really have lost interest in replying to you. I really don't want to debate with anyone who associates with Nazi forums that don't allow freedom of speech. The company you keep says a lot about you. I only post in forums now that allow freedom of speech for everyone with civilty. I don't even post in forums that are totally anti-illegal either that don't allow freedom of speech. |
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| tweety wrote: | | All your talk about open borders doesn't address the fact that the legal term for those in this country without papers are illegal aliens, not immigrants or the undocumented and no one should be attacked for using the correct terms. |
Let me put it to you this way, Tweety. You are right, the legal term can be illegal alien, as can be illegal immigrant, undocument immigrant, etc. However, remember that there are terms that are politically correct but they are slanderous. Try going to an all black forum and tossing the “N” word around. It’s politically correct but it is seen as racist or just plain insulting.
| Quote: | | It does justify Mexicans getting the gist of the heat on illegal immigration. No other group including Visa overstayers comes anywhere near the numbers of illegal aliens from Mexico. Their poverty, lack of education and high birth rates, etc. just adds fuel to the fire. But NEVER have we anti's ever denied that there are illegal aliens in this country from other countries and that we oppose them too. You sympathizers for the Mexican illegals only just use that tired old worn out statement to make it seem like we are just racists against Mexicans. We see right thru you too! |
Now I never said you were racist against Mexican’s. As a matter of fact, I don’t ever recall calling you a racist. It’s not to say that as a beginner in these forums I didn’t use the word, but I learned to try to not to resort to name callings of any sort unless it was very evident that the person was racist or deserved it. I guess you could say I matured and I try my best to tackle opposition with facts and statistics and real life experiences instead. However, I’ve just come to realize the position you have backed me into. I’ve always said “illegal immigrants” and never have I said “only illegal immigrants from Mexico”. You are the one that always brings in illegal immigrants from Mexico, because in your words “they make up the majority of illegals” and I just try to defend that which is being attacked. I would just as well defend illegal immigrants from any other country if their sole purpose here in the united states was to come and work and make a better life. I think it is highly unfair that you should turn around and say that I sympathize with illegals just because they are ethnically like me. I’m defending illegal immigrants as a whole, not just those from Mexico. But like you say, they make up the majority of illegal immigrants, so why is it ok for you to put the “gist of the heat” on Mexican illegal immigrants and but it’s foul for me to put the “gist of the defense” on them as well?
| Quote: | As far as the terrorist issue goes. Yes, a half dozen entered through Canada but not illegally and not on foot. Another 21 tried to enter our air space from British airports.
So lets get back to those terrorists that are entering by foot and mostly through our southern border. The FBI says that there have been 150,000 OTM'S from terrorist countries that have entered thru our southern border in recent years. Now who should we be more afraid of ? Our airports have been secured now. But our borders have not been. These foot soldiers from terrorists countries are entering thru our Mexican border and are organizing within our country to do us a lot more damage than 9/11 ever did! |
Whoa, whoa, whoa! First of all, our Mexican border is a whole lot more secure than our Canadian border. Our Canadian border is much much longer than our Mexican border, lightly populated, and the man power of border patrol agents there are much, much, smaller (despite the fact that the border is longer). Our Mexican border is much much more secure than our Canadian border by a long shot, has more man power despite the fact that it is smaller, and yet I see very little effort in securing the Northern border. Even border patrols on the Canada border can testify that they strongly believe terrorist have come in through there and that they fear little is being done to secure the Canadian border. I’m sure you’ve seen the report, even the BP admitted to not reporting his entry at the Canadian border because it was that easy. Do you think terrorist didn’t see that show? Don’t you think they are smart enough to use the advantage of the focus on the southern border to enter in through the northern one? Focusing on just one side because the majority of illegals are from Mexico is ridiculous if you want better security. I understand the strain on the government funds, that’s why we are working to not allow illegal immigrants to use those benefits, but building up a wall for security on our southern border and leaving the northern border exposed really smells rotten to me. One reason that leads me to believe this is ethnically based and really has nothing to do with security.
| Quote: | | We are not implying that peasant Mexicans just looking for work are terrorists. Why do you pro's always say that? It is those 150,000 OTM's and more coming from terrorists countries right along with the Mexicans that we are worried about. So we have secured our airports and hopefully our ports too, but our borders are still wide open! And yet you keep harping about Canada and airports? Thats been taken care of! |
No it hasn’t. Read above. Our airports are not fully secured or else we wouldn’t be having so many threats lately. Don’t you see the news? Ofcourse, not all the incidents result as an actual terror threat, but the fact that planes have actually had to evacuate is evidence enough that we are not as secure as we wish to be. Actually, our demand for more security is actually making us more insecure. A smart terrorist would take advantage of our false alarms. So no, we are not secure at our airports, not yet.
| Quote: | | No, there is no justification for illegal aliens entering our country for whatever reason they have. There is even less justification for an American citizen to be sympathetic to them to the point of snubbing our laws. It is shamefull! The illegals are not any different than anyone else. They should be held accountable for breaking our immigration laws and not rewarded for it. |
It all depends on what your definition of shamefull is. I do not see it shamefull to try and help those who need the help. I have the inside scoop because I have a voice and more rights than they do, which means I have more power to try and change the laws to be more fair to illegal immigrants. I remember reading an article or a post on someone who commented and remarks like yours. I remember him asking us to remember when people saw it as “shamefull” to allow women or African-americans to vote. He commented on how the anti’s used to say that they were not citizens because they were not white or they were not men. History is proof enough for me to show that the oppressed always win. Illegal immigrants are the oppressed today, and maybe we might not win this year, but we’ll keep pushing until there is peace and justice for every human being, regardless of their color, national origin, legal status, disability, etc.
| Quote: | As far as the HB forum goes. As poster Tweety and a couple of other ID's I was treated like garbage in there. Especially by JD who treated all anti-illegals like garbage. Well myself and a couple of others managed to get her busted from Moderator back to just a member and in all actuality and fairness she should have been banned from the forum all together for her rotten nastiness. But thats where the biasness came in. The pro's could say anything they wanted and they were allowed to stay no matter how cruel they were to others.
Thats another reason I really have lost interest in replying to you. I really don't want to debate with anyone who associates with Nazi forums that don't allow freedom of speech. The company you keep says a lot about you. I only post in forums now that allow freedom of speech for everyone with civilty. I don't even post in forums that are totally anti-illegal either that don't allow freedom of speech. |
Tweety, you are free to feel as you would like. Under no circumstances am I forcing you to stay and debate. It is really sad that you should judge me based on where I post. I always found it quite odd that you know where I’ve been, almost as if you are following me. At least I’ve tried to be as civil as I can get, something you should know for a fact that sets me apart from some of the company that I keep. I would never judge others based on who they hang with because then I would be discriminating and we all know that discrimination is the biggest flaw in America, past and present. I’m free to roam around any forum I want, Nazi or not, and can do my part in defending the freedom of speech of others. I find it highly unfair that you blame the operation of a forum on me, when the forum does not even belong to me. You’re complaints have been wasted here and you should take it up with the owner of the HB forum. If what you intended was to wreak some vengeful justice by making them lose a client, I am sorry to have disappointed you. Since you informed me of the going ons at HB I have not been witness to any Nazi reactions. I don’t base my decisions on hearsay, unless I am witness to the actions. |
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| iamme wrote: | | tweety wrote: | | All your talk about open borders doesn't address the fact that the legal term for those in this country without papers are illegal aliens, not immigrants or the undocumented and no one should be attacked for using the correct terms. |
Let me put it to you this way, Tweety. You are right, the legal term can be illegal alien, as can be illegal immigrant, undocument immigrant, etc. However, remember that there are terms that are politically correct but they are slanderous. Try going to an all black forum and tossing the “N” word around. It’s politically correct but it is seen as racist or just plain insulting.
| Quote: | | It does justify Mexicans getting the gist of the heat on illegal immigration. No other group including Visa overstayers comes anywhere near the numbers of illegal aliens from Mexico. Their poverty, lack of education and high birth rates, etc. just adds fuel to the fire. But NEVER have we anti's ever denied that there are illegal aliens in this country from other countries and that we oppose them too. You sympathizers for the Mexican illegals only just use that tired old worn out statement to make it seem like we are just racists against Mexicans. We see right thru you too! |
Now I never said you were racist against Mexican’s. As a matter of fact, I don’t ever recall calling you a racist. It’s not to say that as a beginner in these forums I didn’t use the word, but I learned to try to not to resort to name callings of any sort unless it was very evident that the person was racist or deserved it. I guess you could say I matured and I try my best to tackle opposition with facts and statistics and real life experiences instead. However, I’ve just come to realize the position you have backed me into. I’ve always said “illegal immigrants” and never have I said “only illegal immigrants from Mexico”. You are the one that always brings in illegal immigrants from Mexico, because in your words “they make up the majority of illegals” and I just try to defend that which is being attacked. I would just as well defend illegal immigrants from any other country if their sole purpose here in the united states was to come and work and make a better life. I think it is highly unfair that you should turn around and say that I sympathize with illegals just because they are ethnically like me. I’m defending illegal immigrants as a whole, not just those from Mexico. But like you say, they make up the majority of illegal immigrants, so why is it ok for you to put the “gist of the heat” on Mexican illegal immigrants and but it’s foul for me to put the “gist of the defense” on them as well?
| Quote: | As far as the terrorist issue goes. Yes, a half dozen entered through Canada but not illegally and not on foot. Another 21 tried to enter our air space from British airports.
So lets get back to those terrorists that are entering by foot and mostly through our southern border. The FBI says that there have been 150,000 OTM'S from terrorist countries that have entered thru our southern border in recent years. Now who should we be more afraid of ? Our airports have been secured now. But our borders have not been. These foot soldiers from terrorists countries are entering thru our Mexican border and are organizing within our country to do us a lot more damage than 9/11 ever did! |
Whoa, whoa, whoa! First of all, our Mexican border is a whole lot more secure than our Canadian border. Our Canadian border is much much longer than our Mexican border, lightly populated, and the man power of border patrol agents there are much, much, smaller (despite the fact that the border is longer). Our Mexican border is much much more secure than our Canadian border by a long shot, has more man power despite the fact that it is smaller, and yet I see very little effort in securing the Northern border. Even border patrols on the Canada border can testify that they strongly believe terrorist have come in through there and that they fear little is being done to secure the Canadian border. I’m sure you’ve seen the report, even the BP admitted to not reporting his entry at the Canadian border because it was that easy. Do you think terrorist didn’t see that show? Don’t you think they are smart enough to use the advantage of the focus on the southern border to enter in through the northern one? Focusing on just one side because the majority of illegals are from Mexico is ridiculous if you want better security. I understand the strain on the government funds, that’s why we are working to not allow illegal immigrants to use those benefits, but building up a wall for security on our southern border and leaving the northern border exposed really smells rotten to me. One reason that leads me to believe this is ethnically based and really has nothing to do with security.
| Quote: | | We are not implying that peasant Mexicans just looking for work are terrorists. Why do you pro's always say that? It is those 150,000 OTM's and more coming from terrorists countries right along with the Mexicans that we are worried about. So we have secured our airports and hopefully our ports too, but our borders are still wide open! And yet you keep harping about Canada and airports? Thats been taken care of! |
No it hasn’t. Read above. Our airports are not fully secured or else we wouldn’t be having so many threats lately. Don’t you see the news? Ofcourse, not all the incidents result as an actual terror threat, but the fact that planes have actually had to evacuate is evidence enough that we are not as secure as we wish to be. Actually, our demand for more security is actually making us more insecure. A smart terrorist would take advantage of our false alarms. So no, we are not secure at our airports, not yet.
| Quote: | | No, there is no justification for illegal aliens entering our country for whatever reason they have. There is even less justification for an American citizen to be sympathetic to them to the point of snubbing our laws. It is shamefull! The illegals are not any different than anyone else. They should be held accountable for breaking our immigration laws and not rewarded for it. |
It all depends on what your definition of shamefull is. I do not see it shamefull to try and help those who need the help. I have the inside scoop because I have a voice and more rights than they do, which means I have more power to try and change the laws to be more fair to illegal immigrants. I remember reading an article or a post on someone who commented and remarks like yours. I remember him asking us to remember when people saw it as “shamefull” to allow women or African-americans to vote. He commented on how the anti’s used to say that they were not citizens because they were not white or they were not men. History is proof enough for me to show that the oppressed always win. Illegal immigrants are the oppressed today, and maybe we might not win this year, but we’ll keep pushing until there is peace and justice for every human being, regardless of their color, national origin, legal status, disability, etc.
| Quote: | As far as the HB forum goes. As poster Tweety and a couple of other ID's I was treated like garbage in there. Especially by JD who treated all anti-illegals like garbage. Well myself and a couple of others managed to get her busted from Moderator back to just a member and in all actuality and fairness she should have been banned from the forum all together for her rotten nastiness. But thats where the biasness came in. The pro's could say anything they wanted and they were allowed to stay no matter how cruel they were to others.
Thats another reason I really have lost interest in replying to you. I really don't want to debate with anyone who associates with Nazi forums that don't allow freedom of speech. The company you keep says a lot about you. I only post in forums now that allow freedom of speech for everyone with civilty. I don't even post in forums that are totally anti-illegal either that don't allow freedom of speech. |
Tweety, you are free to feel as you would like. Under no circumstances am I forcing you to stay and debate. It is really sad that you should judge me based on where I post. I always found it quite odd that you know where I’ve been, almost as if you are following me. At least I’ve tried to be as civil as I can get, something you should know for a fact that sets me apart from some of the company that I keep. I would never judge others based on who they hang with because then I would be discriminating and we all know that discrimination is the biggest flaw in America, past and present. I’m free to roam around any forum I want, Nazi or not, and can do my part in defending the freedom of speech of others. I find it highly unfair that you blame the operation of a forum on me, when the forum does not even belong to me. You’re complaints have been wasted here and you should take it up with the owner of the HB forum. If what you intended was to wreak some vengeful justice by making them lose a client, I am sorry to have disappointed you. Since you informed me of the going ons at HB I have not been witness to any Nazi reactions. I don’t base my decisions on hearsay, unless I am witness to the actions. |
Are you completely deranged or what? The N word is slanderous but illegal alien is a LEGAL term, the N word is not! Are you really this dense? Hispanics who sympathize with the illegals just try to blur the line between legal and illegal by insisting that everyone use your stupid PC terms. How dare you tell others that they can't use a legal term. How the hell can it be racist, since there are illegal aliens in this country from every ethnic background? Oh my God, I think I am getting sick to think that you and yours call yourself American citizens with your attitudes.
Your second paragragh is full of lies and denial of the truth so I am not going to go over it again. Why don't you and yours just come out and admit that because these most of these illegals are ethnically like you thats why you sympathize but if they were of another ethnicicty you wouldn't care less. Why is it then that it is mainly Hispanics who are the sympathizers, iamme? I can't stand liars. I cannot debate with dishonest people.
Again are you just plain stupid or what.!!! WE DO NOT HAVE 20 MILLION ILLEGALS FROM CANADA IN HERE. Yes, the threat of terroriism can come from either border. SECURE BOTH. But with Mexico we have TWO reasons to secure that border. Again can't you read? I have also stated that we need to continue to secure our airports and ports. God I am getting so "F"ing angry at your stupidity and lies now.
Again you make stupid analogies about Black people and the right to vote, blah, blah, blah. That has nothing to do with the breaking of our immgiration laws. Why are you willing to help foreign invaders even though it negatively effects your fellow American citizens? What is wrong with you? Giving charity to people who don't spit in your face is one thing but quite another when you help criminals who dont' give a stuff about how their search for a better life is destroying other people lives. Again, what the hell is wrong with you???
I don't follow you around forums. All us anti's go to the pro forums to see what they are up too. It helps with our strategy to stop this crap. My number one reason for not wanting to debate with you is because you are a traitor to this country. After finding out that you also post in Nazi forums that was just the icing on the cake for me. The reason you don't see much Nazism going on in HB anymore is because no anti will go in there anymore or at least they don't stick around to get beat up on anymore. There is NOTHING going on in that forum anymore and that is because those patriotic Americans got fed up and don't want to deal with them anymore. Thats ok, I am sure the Nazi love high fiving each other all day. They do nothing but hurt their cause. Americans are reading their garbage and waking up.
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Are you completely deranged or what? The N word is slanderous but illegal alien is a LEGAL term, the N word is not! Are you really this dense? Hispanics who sympathize with the illegals just try to blur the line between legal and illegal by insisting that everyone use your stupid PC terms. How dare you tell others that they can't use a legal term. How the hell can it be racist, since there are illegal aliens in this country from every ethnic background? Oh my God, I think I am getting sick to think that you and yours call yourself American citizens with your attitudes. |
No, but a little misinformed yes. I apologize in the sense that I believed politically correct meant the word was inoffensive in defenition, but offensive in usage. So, it is not politically correct, it does not mean the same theory cannot apply. The N word was once used freely and was considered by many to be the appropriate word for an African-American. Even some government officials used the word in public speaches. So what if the legal term is illegal alien, it does not mean we cannot protest to say it is offensive. I'm even going to change the word to undocumented foreigner because it is more appropriate than illegal alien and illegal immigrant. No human is illegal, whether or not their behavior is illegal.
"Alien carries with it the negative connotations of extraterrestrials and other meanings of the word alien and is criticized by the pro-illegal immigrant community. George Lakoff, a University of California linguist and progressive strategist, has argued that "the terms 'aliens' and 'illegals' provoke fear, loathing and dread" and should thus be avoided" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration
Oh so true!
However, I am not telling you to not use the term, just don't go around calling people Nazi because they find the word offensive. By the by, if anyone is asking anything of anyone, it is you basically begging me to leave the HB forum just because you think they are nazi! Don't worry so much, I feel the same about you and yours.
| Quote: | | Your second paragragh is full of lies and denial of the truth so I am not going to go over it again. Why don't you and yours just come out and admit that because these most of these illegals are ethnically like you thats why you sympathize but if they were of another ethnicicty you wouldn't care less. Why is it then that it is mainly Hispanics who are the sympathizers, iamme? I can't stand liars. I cannot debate with dishonest people. |
 You won't go over it again because you've fallen into fetal position. If you'd be so kind as to go over it again, please point out where in the 2nd paragraph I have lied. Is it not you going forum to forum pointing out undocumented immigrants from Mexico? You obviously cannot stand yourself because you prove to me you are a liar. I care alot about undocumented immigrants of all ethnicity who have come here to make a better life for themselves. I've related how our Hispanic community has accomodated foreigners in our society and don't really care what language they use in public. But if you really want to know why mainly Hispanics are the ones who sympathize with undocumented immigrants, well, ever heard of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? Ever heard about Operation Wetback and the Mexican Repartriation? Hmmm, which states belonged to Mexico and which ethnicity was forced to go illegal? Oh, I remember, wasn't it Hispanics?  Oh, and wait, which country is next door? Mexico! That, my dear friend, is what being dense really is.
| Quote: | | Again are you just plain stupid or what.!!! WE DO NOT HAVE 20 MILLION ILLEGALS FROM CANADA IN HERE. Yes, the threat of terroriism can come from either border. SECURE BOTH. But with Mexico we have TWO reasons to secure that border. Again can't you read? I have also stated that we need to continue to secure our airports and ports. God I am getting so "F"ing angry at your stupidity and lies now. |
How would we know that, Tweety, considering that the Canadian borders are not as secure as our southern borders? How can we document what we cannot see? Please tell me, as I would like to know. Now you said "Our airports have been secured now" and no where do I see "we need to continue". Who's lying now? Oh, and PS, can't you read? We do not have 20 million undocumented foreignors from Mexico either. They might be the majority, but they do not make the 20 million. If they do, please provide your statistics, as I've yet to read such information. I am not lying when I say our southern border is more secure than our northern border. Please address with statistics on enforcement officials at each border and the length of each border, and if you can prove that our northern border is not as secure as our southern border, I'll concede. I'm not asking for number of undocumented entries, but border enforcements. How many fences are on our canadian border? How many border patrol officers are on our Canadian border? How long is our Canadian border? Then do the same research for the Mexican border and get back to me on it. However, don't get mad at me for your inability to defend my facts, it makes you look stupid.
| Quote: | | Again you make stupid analogies about Black people and the right to vote, blah, blah, blah. That has nothing to do with the breaking of our immgiration laws. Why are you willing to help foreign invaders even though it negatively effects your fellow American citizens? What is wrong with you? Giving charity to people who don't spit in your face is one thing but quite another when you help criminals who dont' give a stuff about how their search for a better life is destroying other people lives. Again, what the hell is wrong with you??? |
It has much to do with immigration laws. African-American people had to fight to be recognized as citizens, even though technically they were not. Women had to do the same. Only white men were considered citizens. Now tell me, how do my ideas affect your fellow American citizens? How do undocumented immigrants destroy other peoples lives by working? I hope you are not talking about those American's who are below the poverty line, because then you are talking about me and many others who are not feeling the effect. As a matter of fact we're being affected in a good way. More businesses are opening which means more employment opportunities are available for us. Now, I know what you are going to say about the taxes and blah, blah, blah. Remember, I stated as much about that, that they shouldn't receive government assistance. Problem solved. Let them work legally! Amen.
| Quote: | I don't follow you around forums. All us anti's go to the pro forums to see what they are up too. It helps with our strategy to stop this crap. My number one reason for not wanting to debate with you is because you are a traitor to this country. After finding out that you also post in Nazi forums that was just the icing on the cake for me. The reason you don't see much Nazism going on in HB anymore is because no anti will go in there anymore or at least they don't stick around to get beat up on anymore. There is NOTHING going on in that forum anymore and that is because those patriotic Americans got fed up and don't want to deal with them anymore. Thats ok, I am sure the Nazi love high fiving each other all day. They do nothing but hurt their cause. Americans are reading their garbage and waking up.
So long! |
Would you call the treatment at the HB inhumane? Not allowing you freedom of speech because you do not follow their agenda? Doesn't that suck, to not be able to defend yourself, to be seen as the illegal alien? Now the shoe is on the other foot, so what did you do? You hung around the shadows illegally (poetically speaking), you migrated to other forums in search of a better freedom. Why did you not just assimilate? If you know the forum is pro-immigration, then the correct thing to have done is A-S-S-I-M-I-L-A-T-E. Don't think so? Well, that's what if feels like to wear a shoe that doesn't fit. That's the injustice of being deported when all you want to do is work and make a better life. Obviously you've been doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. Just be happy deported immigrants aren't asking for payback on their taxes, or fair work wage compensation for their cheap labor. Just a question, if being Patriotic meant jumping off a bridge, would you jump? Honestly, I can't understand why you even attempt to define patriotism through the opinion of others. It's the lamest excuse in a debate. A patriotic American defends the rights of others and tries to justify a system of laws that are seen as inhumane. A patriotic American tries to be fair. A patriotic American tries to be just. A patriotic American lends a hand to the poor and the oppressed. A patriotic American does not necessarily have to go with the flow if they do not see the flow going in the right direction. A patriotic American would put their lives on the line for America in the event of a war. What's your definition of a patriotic American, Tweety? Convicting human beings for their illegal entry, regardless of their reason? Trying to uphold immigration laws that are unfair and inhumane to a working immigrant? Not caring why they had to forge or steal ids/documents to work just because the law says it is wrong?
As far as the HB forum goes, yes, many American's are waking up and hearing our cause and supporting it. Many more American's will do so. After all, many on the HB forum ARE American, and I think you're just riled up because you couldn't brain wash them, or like you say, "make them see the light" of your dark universe. Now, if you don't mind, I've got to go high five my friends at the HB for sticking together on the issue. Don't worry, I'll be back.  |
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tweety
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| What an "F"ing, hopeless moron! |
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butterbean
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| tweety wrote: | | What an "F"ing, hopeless moron! |
I AGREE! Just ignore her. Then maybe she will find another place to go heave her vomit.  |
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inamericasince 1700
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Hi Guys,
I told her off many times when this forum began.
She's not a retard, she's really smart and likes playing games with people. She's a manipulative sociopath with sever narcisistic tendancies. She's also a pathelogical liar. She lies to get people riled up and angry and loves it when it happens. Then when you get close to shutting her down she apologizes, just like an abusive mate.
She's probably one of the most racist people I've every encountered. Right up there with the KKK and Hitler. You just have to wade through her lies and deceptions to see it.
All her bull about being American amounts to nothing. |
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iamme
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Location: TEXAS
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| inamericasince 1700 wrote: | Hi Guys,
I told her off many times when this forum began.
She's not a retard, she's really smart and likes playing games with people. She's a manipulative sociopath with sever narcisistic tendancies. She's also a pathelogical liar. She lies to get people riled up and angry and loves it when it happens. Then when you get close to shutting her down she apologizes, just like an abusive mate.
She's probably one of the most racist people I've every encountered. Right up there with the KKK and Hitler. You just have to wade through her lies and deceptions to see it.
All her bull about being American amounts to nothing. |
Thanks for saying that I'm really smart, but I don't appreciate everything else you said. It would have been real easy for me to taunt and tease tweety with her last comment, but to be honest, she disappointed me. It's sad when a person has to resort to insults, and I'm not saying I've not been there, but because I've been there, I know it's sad. When I apologize, it's not usual I do so because I'm sorry for what I've said, but for giving wrong information or misinterpreting things, but not because I'm backing down. I think I've been as honest as I can be, so I don't understand why you say I'm a pathological lyer. Worse yet, I don't understand why I'm racist right up there with the KKK and Hitler. They didn't care for anyone but their own race. They thought they were the best race. I don't recall ever saying I cared | | |
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